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Did you read Marilyn Manson's Long Hard Road Out of Hell autobiography?
"I read part of it, I didn't really sit down to read it but there was things about me that I wanted to read."

How much of that stuff was true?
"Well, the stuff that he wrote about me, pretty much... none of it. I mean it's all either exagerrated, or... like alot of the stuff that he wrote, he talked about... it sorta happened, but he wasn't there, like the part where he talked about where he was at my house and these prostitutes came out of the closet...that sorta happened, but it really wasn't like that. The story is, there was one night after a show and I was at my apartment and Pogo, the keyboard player, he was there with his girlfriend and my girlfriend was there and it was her apartment. She was like a real bad drug addict at the time and she knew these people - this black lady and her cousin or whatever - and they were over there when I got home and they were hanging out in the closet and smoking crack or whatever and that's what it was. But Brian wasn't there and it didn't happen like [that], he said it happened at some other girls house I was going out with and it didn't."

How about the story about you and the hairdresser from Manson's autobiography?
"No no, that didn't happen. Back when I was in the band, there was always these rumors going around that we were all gay or bisexual or whatever and that guy Christopher who he's talking about was a friend of mine and nothing ever happened, we would just goof around & stuff but we never ever did anything."

Have you talked to Manson or Scott [Daisy Berkowitz] lately?
"Not lately, the last time I saw Scott he was still in the band and it was in a club and I was sitting down at a table. He came up to me and was like, 'Hey, what's up, don't you recognize me?'
I was like, 'What are you talking about, of course I recognize you.'
He was like, 'What, you don't want to talk to me?' and I was like, 'No, I'll talk to you, what's going on?'
He was like, "Ohhh, Brian's a dick, I can't stand him no more, and he's a total asshole on this tour and this and that, I'm thinking about quitting'.
I was like, 'That's funny, because I heard you were the next one to get fired from the band anyways!'
He was like, "what, what, what are you talking about, blah, blah'.
Then like a week later he got fired and that was the last time I talked to him. As far as Brian, the last time I talked to him was in New Orleans. I went up there with a friend of mine to meet another friend and I got there and a few minutes later I saw Brian walking down the street so I ran across traffic and jumped right infront of him and grabbed him and scared the shit out of him and he was like, 'What are you doing here?'
I was like, 'I'm gonna kick your ass man!' and he was like - [does a scared sounding voice] - and I was just kidding with him!
But, yeah, that was the last time that I saw him and the last couple of years we've been talking to each other through lawyers and stuff like that, but I've got no hard feelings towards him at all, I'd like to talk to him and be friends, but I guess he's too busy."

Would you ever work with Marilyn Manson again on a musical level?
Yeah, totally... actually, I think he needs it! he needs to get back to his roots."

What's your favorite Marilyn Manson song?
"Probably a song I wrote called Thing Maker and that wasn't on any of the records."

When it came to writing in Marilyn Manson, how much did you write, how much did Marilyn write and how much did Scott/Daisy write?
"Manson wrote all the lyrics and he wrote a teeny bit of music here and there, but pretty much me and Scott wrote all of the music and a lot of the times when it was a song that I wrote, I would come up with a riff or something and then I'd bring it to the band. If I didn't have it finished then Scott would put guitar parts over it or the other way around, Scott would come up with a riff then I would write some more to it. Scott wrote like maybe ten percent more music than I did but pretty much, Me, Scott and Manson were pretty much equal song writers."

Does it make you mad when you see Marilyn Manson onstage & he has Twiggy playing a song like Cake And Sodomy which you wrote & played?
"Not anymore. At first I thought it was kinda pathetic because when he [Twiggy] joined the band he would play all the songs that I wrote and he played every song note for note, he didn't add anything to it, and I thought that was kinda weak. I thought if you're gonna have a new person in the band, at least add a little something to it instead of just, you know, copying somebody... if they wanted a copy, then why did they even replace me? They even had Twiggy dye his hair the same way, he had bright green roots and purple and black dreads when he joined the band, he wore the same clothes, even before he was in the band. Me and him were friends and we'd go out thrift shopping and I'd buy him clothes and shit like that and when he joined the band he was wearing all the clothes I'd bought him!
It doesn't really make me mad though, in a way I'm glad that I'm out of it because when I was in that band I didn't really have a voice, ya know? I always wanted to be the main song writer anyways because I always wrote lyrics and when I joined the band I wasn't even looking to join that band, I didn't even play bass, I was a guitar player, Manson asked me to play and while I learned the songs that's when I learned to play bass."

What's the wildest thing that ever happened to you onstage?
"We were playing in Tampa opening for White Zombie, the show starts and you know, I'm jumping around like a madman like I always do, and in the beginning of the second song - I forget what it was, but it might have been Misery Machine - I was jumping up and there was a speaker above me, like a monitor, and I bashed my head open really bad and I was bleeding all over the place. I was banging my head and swinging my hair around and blood was flying everywhere and the people in the crowd all thought it was part of the show or whateve. My set list was filled with blood and some girl stole it, and my sound guy was trying to grab me to get me offstage and he looked at my head and told me I had to get offstage. But I was like, no no no, I've gotta play. So I played like the whole show and afterwards I passed out from massive blood loss and I had to get rushed to the hospital to get my head stapled shut. Sean, the bass player from White Zombie, who I was in love with at the time, she was like helping me and putting a towel on my head and that was cool. That's kinda like the most wild thing I can think of."

Did you hook up with Sean from White Zombie?
"No, I wish, but she was like married to Rob Zombie at the time."

Was Sean actually married to Rob Zombie?
"Yeah... they were an item."

What do you think of the current Marilyn Manson line-up? [this was during Mechanical Animals]
"I think it could have been good but they did that image and they don't have the material to back it up.
That's sorta how we were in the beginning. We were more colorful, but we had the songs. That's what I've always tried to do, have an image like that and then have really raw, angry music. The whole beauty and sickness theory, but yeah, I don't think it works too well and the songs. When I was in the band and was friends with Manson, we were really tight and we used to always talk and like everything that he used to rag on and make fun of he is doing now! Like for instance, the headset microphone, he used to hate that and rag on people who did that, he thought it was so ridiculous, and I went to go see them play like a month or two ago or whatever, and he was doing that thing with the crowd, like the total Def Leppard like rock thing, like, 'Come on, I can't hear you!'
That sorta thing - and when Alice in Chains came out, we were really into them, that Dirt record and the one before that, and Manson used to say about Layne's lyrics...'It's so boring, I can't stand how all he sings about is drugs, it's so boring, why does he do that, god!'
Now he's doing the same thing and it's like, this is ridiculous, I can't believe it, but yeah, the current lineup, musically, I guess they are ok, but there's so many songs that sound like other songs. I liked Antichrist Superstar, I thought that was a really good record."

How would you like people to remember Gidget Gein?
"Somebody that was like a total fuck up, crazier, more out of control than like anybody, somebody that was like that, but totally changed and got their shit together, but was still cool and somebody that they could look up to. I was really out of control back then, but now I've got it together and I'd like to influence people in a positive way, especially with what's going on now..."


Source: Rock N' Roll Experience
Date Published: 00.00.1998
Country: USA


Transcribed & Submitted By: S.D.